2016 draft thread: Part 2

[bwgood77]

If Bender and Dunn go 3-4, I was trying to decide who'd I prefer in that situation. Saw a lot of Kentucky this year and went back to watch some Murray highlights. The guy he most reminded me of is JJ Redick. Much more than Hield, like Redick, Murray is elite coming off screens in catch and shoot situations. His shot is also ultra quick, although it'd be nice if his release point was a little higher given his lack of athleticism.

When he was able to get to the rim, Murray also finished pretty well; however, I really question his ability to do so against NBA length. I do think he's somewhat more versatile as a player than Redick and could play some, but not great, minutes at the point and has a nice change of speed game that also penetration.

Like Redick, Murray's lack of length and athleticism will make him a subpar defender as well. He's not the smoothest looking athlete.

For me, if the draft plays out this way, do you take the safer bet in Murray or gamble on someone like Chriss? I'm just not a Hield or Brown fan although I do get the arguments for both.

Murray looks pretty good here.. [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MydBsdfpGVw[/youtube]

[ace625214]

His release looks terribly slow and he starts his shooting motion low. Not a good sign.

Kind of like Dirk and Porzingis? It doesn't matter when you're 7 feet tall. It's not like he's Curry out there trying to get shots off over bigs switched onto him.

[canucklife21]

If Bender and Dunn go 3-4, I was trying to decide who'd I prefer in that situation. Saw a lot of Kentucky this year and went back to watch some Murray highlights. The guy he most reminded me of is JJ Redick. Much more than Hield, like Redick, Murray is elite coming off screens in catch and shoot situations. His shot is also ultra quick, although it'd be nice if his release point was a little higher given his lack of athleticism.

When he was able to get to the rim, Murray also finished pretty well; however, I really question his ability to do so against NBA length. I do think he's somewhat more versatile as a player than Redick and could play some, but not great, minutes at the point and has a nice change of speed game that also penetration.

Like Redick, Murray's lack of length and athleticism will make him a subpar defender as well. He's not the smoothest looking athlete.

For me, if the draft plays out this way, do you take the safer bet in Murray or gamble on someone like Chriss? I'm just not a Hield or Brown fan although I do get the arguments for both.

Murray looks pretty good here.. [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MydBsdfpGVw[/youtube]

Jamal Murray has big game potential aswell. In the Pan Am games, Jamal was leading the Canadian team with so many memorable plays.


However, i understand the concerns that was stated in this forum about Murrays length and defence.

[canucklife21]

I believe his big game performances and killer instinct is what attracts me the most and why i feel he could be a valued piece to the best young core in the NBA.

[gaspar]

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[canucklife21]

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Cant wait to hear the results of his timberwolves workout

[jpatrick]

Saw that Murray made 79/100 threes in his Celtics workout today.

I'm settling in on Simmons, Ingram, Bender, Dunn, and Murray as my top five. Take whoever is left.

The only possible exception to that top five is Chriss. He scares me because of his lack of rebounding/assists, but he is new to basketball so hopefully can improve. Plus, while he's compared to ultra athletic busts like Tyrus Thomas, Stromile Swift, and Anthony Randolph, those guys were just pure knuckleheads and they couldn't shoot. Chriss has a nice stroke and in his DX interview, he comes across as an intelligent, well spoken guy. Still not in top five for me yet but would definitely want him to come here to workout.

[Andri]

I think Murray will have serious issues translating his game to nba.

It's not only about the question mark of his defensive potential. Moreover IMO his release is kind of slow, and his shooting form starts too low. Even more, he is not very quick, and it could be difficult for him getting enough separation coming off screens.

On the sunny side, he is quite crafty penetrating, with quite good footwork, although he is not going to beat many defenders with his dribbling and quickness.

I see his ceiling as a little bigger CJ Mccollum, not worth of the risk for the 5th spot. Furthermore, Lavine can fill that role if neccesary since I don't see him as the main distributor.

[NewWolvesOrder]

Jamal has lit it up in Boston today. 79 out of 100.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/celtics/2016/06/08/celtics-get-good-look-jamal-murray-precision-shooting/C47ow6WFwFmYcHO6Qvf6KN/story.html

And only Curry made more 3s as freshman. Can we pass on the best shooter since Curry?

[NikolaPekovic]

Dude has bricks for feet.

[NewWolvesOrder]

Dude has bricks for feet.

let's not go over the top.

[Worm Guts]

Jamal has lit it up in Boston today. 79 out of 100.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/celtics/2016/06/08/celtics-get-good-look-jamal-murray-precision-shooting/C47ow6WFwFmYcHO6Qvf6KN/story.html

And only Curry made more 3s as freshman. Can we pass on the best shooter since Curry?

Is he even the best shooter in this draft?

[NewWolvesOrder]

Jamal has lit it up in Boston today. 79 out of 100.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/celtics/2016/06/08/celtics-get-good-look-jamal-murray-precision-shooting/C47ow6WFwFmYcHO6Qvf6KN/story.html

And only Curry made more 3s as freshman. Can we pass on the best shooter since Curry?

Is he even the best shooter in this draft?

Easily.
Hield is good but he had to work hard to get there and even then this year may have been a fluke. Murray is just a natural. Hield wasn't even close at his age.

[Worm Guts]

Jamal has lit it up in Boston today. 79 out of 100.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/celtics/2016/06/08/celtics-get-good-look-jamal-murray-precision-shooting/C47ow6WFwFmYcHO6Qvf6KN/story.html

And only Curry made more 3s as freshman. Can we pass on the best shooter since Curry?

Is he even the best shooter in this draft?

Easily.
Hield is good but he had to work hard to get there and even then this year may have been a fluke. Murray is just a natural. Hield wasn't even close at his age.

That's true but Hield still hit 25% more 3's on a 5% percent higher efficiency. Hields senior season was comparable to any of Curry's college seasons.

[Sugarless]

Time to support my preferred choice after Bender:

3 charts that show Buddy Hield is the best college shooter since Steph Curry

1) Hield is college's most efficient three-point leader since Steph Curry

2) Hield's remarkable year-over-year improvement

3) Hield stacks up against college basketball's recent legends

[Crazy-Canuck]

I think Murray has the highest upside among the 3 guys (Murray, Dunn, Hield).

He's a comboguard that offers positional flexibility, something Lavine nor Rubio can offer. He was a pg all his life until he got to Kentucky. Some say he moved to SG because he couldnt play pg, but I think Cal played him more at SG because Ulis and Briscoe couldnt play off the ball.

I would be happy with one of Bender, Dunn or Murray.

[AttackTheRack]

If you can get Murray at this draft position, you do it and run. Kid's got a ton of skills. Athleticism issues are overstated. He looks like a good decision maker. He can handle the rock. He passes willingly. He can lead the break. He knocks down the long J. And he doesn't seem to shy from the moment, to boot. That's all that's required from his position at this point. Count on your coaches to make him a better defender. Can't imagine him even being available, actually.

[Klomp]

Hield is good but he had to work hard to get there and even then this year may have been a fluke. Murray is just a natural. Hield wasn't even close at his age.

So Hield's one productive year in college is a fluke but Murray's one productive year in college is a sign he's a natural? Makes sense...

I like Murray over Hield too, but let's not act like Murray has had a longer stretch of success at this level. They both had 1 year.

[rugbyrugger23]

I like Murray as the pick too. He is a PG, and LaVine although not a PG is a ball handler. Imagine the shooting of those two in a 2 guard set. Murray as primary ball handler.

Also in the half court, it would do wonders having him and LaVine combo, both with their shooting but Murray an off the screen player and LaVine a slasher/to the basket player.

Once he proves ready, trade Rubio for an ideal PF next to Kat.

[horaceworthy]

Hield is good but he had to work hard to get there and even then this year may have been a fluke. Murray is just a natural. Hield wasn't even close at his age.

So Hield's one productive year in college is a fluke but Murray's one productive year in college is a sign he's a natural? Makes sense...

I like Murray over Hield too, but let's not act like Murray has had a longer stretch of success at this level. They both had 1 year.

It isn't just the one year at Kentucky that people have to form an impression of Murray. He acquitted himself well in the Hoop Summit as a sophomore, dominated as a junior, impressed at the Pan-Am games, then reclassified and killed it in an off ball role at Kentucky. He's 3 years younger than Hield, but he's been on the radar longer (for sake of comparison, his first DX entry came a little over 5 months before Hield got his). There's a solid case to be made that Murray's a natural, and while his success at a younger age doesn't guarantee he'll be better than Hield, it's a point in the hoser's favor.