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John from Hemet wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Your are ignorant in the facts of the case but I wont get into them this is about basketball.
Should we make it to the finals please feel free to bring this up to Kobe at the game....I would love to see him break that 80 point record in a game.
MeloTelfair wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Next time you decide to post here try not to sound like a complete ****, you don't have to insult somebody to prove your point.
YOU ARE 7 GAMES ABOVE THE NUGGETS! 7!! How is that considered "so far above" them? The Lakers team is "so far above" the Sonics...they are "so far above" the Timberwolves..they are not "so far above" the Nuggets as you would like to beleive. Sorry. The Nuggets lost because Karl did stupid things? No sh*t! Tell us all something we don't know.
This comment has already been addressed by other posters... but if you are a Laker fan like you claim, you should know better then anyone else that the regular season doesn't necessarily account for the post season. I beleive there was a season (in the Shaq era) where the Spurs swept the series during the regular season...and what did the Lakers do? They came back and swept the Spurs in the post season series. That is just a prime example of how you always shouldn't put all your eggs in one basket.
Also, the Nuggets didn't need AI to drop 48 pts in 3 quarters...he was having one of those nights and they were going to him untill the 4th quarter where Karl made one of his genious Coaching decisions to go away from the hot hand and have Iverson pass the ball...it cost the Nuggets the game. You said yourself that the majority of the mistakes made against the Lakers fell on Coaching, Karl makes the proper adjustments and I see this series being far more interresting then what you are trying to make it out to be.
also find it funny that any Laker fan would talk about any player scoring 40 pts or more and the team losing....how many of those types of games has Kobe had? Exactly. GTFOH. Like I said before concentrate on your own team getting out the first round (in which they haven't done since Shaq left) before you come on other forums talking about a bunch on nonsense.
Yes, the Lakers are FAR better than the Nuggets. It's really not even close as you've seen but the fact that you've been demolished in 3 games now. The gap between the Lakers and Nuggets in a head to head matchup is about the same as Nuggets vs Kings.The Nuggs will win one game at most in this series.
That was different in that the Shaq-led Lakers were a completely different team in the playoffs than in the regular season. In Shaq's eight year here we only finished first in the West once yet we made the finals 4 times. Clearly that was different.As you can see by the first game, this series is going to play out pretty much the same way the regular season series did. You guys have the same problems with us now that you had then and vise-versa. Your flaws haven't changed at all since January. It's just a Denver fan's pipe dream to think any different at this point.
Karl went away from Iverson because we changed the way we were defending him. Kobe and Ariza vs Fisher and Farmar.Again, what's going to make it more interesting now then it was in the regular season? You guys keep trying to call me out but are providing basically no real analysis of why this series is going to be any different. The only thing that's even come up in this thread is the possiblity of Nene but even that's a pipe dream (at best) and the idea that he's going to lock down Gasol is ridiculous because his points aren't coming in one-on-one situations.
Some of you people are so cocky, really thinking you are going to make it to the NBA finals this year. If the Nuggets don't take you out...the Jazz will, your team is not as dominate as you try to make it, i'm sorry. Also, I read the LAkers forum and didn't your moderators warn you fans about trolling? Now GTFOH.Also, i've watched Nene lock down Shaq and Duncan, WTF wouldn't he be able to lock down Gasol. Who the hell do you people think that guy is? Some of you people are so cocky,
Karl went away from Iverson because he's (Please Use More Appropriate Word). And you Laker fans kill me when it comes to Kobe, Kobe got in foul trouble all that night gaurding Iverson (as he did again today) the only one that did a half way decent job on Iverson that night (when they weren't doubling and triple teaming him) was Ariza. So quit trying to give Kobe the credit for that.
No the Lakers are not, the Nuggets beat themselves today plain and simple and I actually feel comfortable saying that. Watching that game today there wasn't one time where I felt like with minor adjustments and if there weren't the mistakes made on our part that we wouldn't be in the game, even when the Lakers were up in the scoring.
I never felt once that the Nuggets couldn't have won that game. And thats why your team to me is a good team..but thats about it. Head to toe, both teams have the same amount of talent the only differense is the Coach and the ability to mold that talent correctly.
Some of you people are so cocky, really thinking you are going to make it to the NBA finals this year. If the Nuggets don't take you out...the Jazz will, your team is not as dominate as you try to make it, i'm sorry.
Pay attention.
http://www.lakersmedia.com/?p=106
About a dozen of the 14 baskets that Gasol made are in that highlight. they're all the result of cutting to the hoop while other players are drawing the defense. Duncan and Shaq don't do that nearly as much. They isolate far more often. They back you down and score. That's what Nene and his bulk are good at stopping. Not what Gasol does for our team. That's why Camby couldn't stop him either (and Camby is a better defender than Nene).
Kobe defended him very well. He got into foul trouble mainly for an offensive foul. Defensively, he had the foul situation under control and was locking Iverson down as usual.
And since when has Kobe "locked Iverson down as usual"? Have you even watched these two together during their careers? Kobe is a good defender but he has always had problems and got into foul trouble gaurding Iverson (even people on the Lakers forum will tell you that). Tonight was no different, defensive fouls galore. And during that 51 pt game Iverson had the Lakers were throwing any and everyone possible on Iverson and no one was slowing him down single handedly. Phil Jackson said so himself...I think he would know better then you. Get over that already. Again, I haven't seen the first three quarters yet but in the fourth there were a lot of mistakes made by the Lakers too. It's not like you guys were getting our best and still hanging in their with your mistakes. We played a below average game (in the part of it I've seen) and you guys just played worse. And your one of your star players tried to act like a bad ass at the worst possible time and got ejected... again.
We play down to our opponents often. you guys are an example of that. Our defense is far superior but we let you guys score because (IMO) the coaching staff knows we can still create separation against the Nugs. But don't mistake how we play against the Nuggs for how we play against everyone. Don't forget, at the end of the season we had the best conference record, division record, and road record out of all the teams in the West. We also won the season series or tie breaker against every team but Houston. So we beat Dallas, Phoenix, New Orleans, San Antonio, and Utah. We'd take all of 'em except Phoenix (maybe SAS).
Does that make you feel better about your Nuggets getting destroyed?
We're going to kick the crap out of Jazz too. Not anywhere as bad as we're going to whoop the Nuggets (because the Jazz actually have a good coach) but we'll still beat them. We're just a horrible matchup for them. Don't forget we took the season series 3-1 and beat them down without Bynum or Gasol.
I'm finished with this conversation because you sound like a lunatic the way you talk. The Lakers are a good team, i'm not saying they aren't...but not as good or elite as you keep trying to make them and unfortounatly you are going to find out sooner rather then later. Good luck with that.What game were you watching? And since when has Kobe "locked Iverson down as usual"? Have you even watched these two together during their careers? Kobe is a good defender but he has always had problems and got into foul trouble gaurding Iverson (even people on the Lakers forum will tell you that).
And during that 51 pt game Iverson had the Lakers were throwing any and everyone possible on Iverson and no one was slowing him down single handedly. Phil Jackson said so himself...I think he would know better then you. Get over that already.
The Nuggets made far more mistakes then the Lakers and played well below what they are capible of playing so get out of here with that nonsense. Hell, if the Nuggets don't miss 100 free throws its a different situation.
And LOL @ any of you Laker fans talking about someone "acting like a bad ass" when Kobe had the nerve to talk crazy to Kenyon after finally making a basket and had an And-1 when Kenyon basically held Kobe to 1-10 in the first quarter and played defense on him well all game...but Kobe is going to wait at the end of the game when he finally gets an And-1 to talk crazy?
You play down to your competition? The Nuggets have been accused of that all season...join the club. Your defense is "far superior"...bwahahahahaha. You lost all credibility right there. You sound crazy saying that. And the regular season really doesn't mean anything in the playoffs, teams don't care about who you beat. Also, quit acting as if the Lakers are so many games above everyone else. The Lakers are only 7 games above the Nuggets and barely got the #1 seed, seriously STFU already.
And what the heck does Iverson getting ejected have to do with your argument anyway?
If you make it out the first round, that Lakers team is not getting passed Utah even with Bynum.
Stop hatin'.The reason why Camby seemed to be getting abused by Gasol is a result of Camby basically having to gaurd both him and Odum by himself (go read the game thread) this has already been discussed. Putting Nene out there would take relief off of Camby and clog up the lane, which would be a hell of a lot better then having Camby gaurding both basically by himself. Also, Camby is a good shot blocker, but his man to man defense in the center can use some help at times. So yes, he is considered a defensive player, but he is not hands down better then Nene.
He spent all game running to help on all the mismatches. No one was exploiting his man-defense. Hell, we didn't need to with all the slow ass rotations the Nuggets were making.
you guys seriously need some better anaylitical minds watching the game if you think Camby's man defense was the problem and Nene would have fixed everything.
I'm watching the game right now. Kobe was playing awesome D on Iverson including some very nice ball denial and blocking his jumpshot. Then he picked up an OFFENSIVE FOUL and Phil took him off AI. Kobe's locked down AI so many times in the past (especially during the Larry Brown years).Feel free to point out where AI got Kobe in foul trouble when they were matched up (they were only matched up early on AFAICT but I'm in the middle of the second quarter).
You are starting to lose credibility (as if you already hadn't lost enough) i'll just leave it at that. And it is not a secret Iverson gets Kobe in foul trouble, I don't know what world you live in where he doesn't. Yeah, he said they put Kobe on him in the second to stop Iverson and he did. No one in the NBA stops anyone else singlehandedly espcially not AI. Team D gets a lot of credit but it's only possible in that situation when a good defender is limiting Iverson's options at the point of attack.
4 straight games! Double digit wins in 3 of them. Stop trying to act like you guys just messed this one up. The Lakers are better than the Nuggets, A LOT BETTER.
LOL. Watch the game, Kmart wasn't "holding" anyone to anything. At best he was creating a massive gap in their interior defense that our guys just walked through all game. Kobe missed a couple shots he normally makes easily and that's the difference between 9-26 and 12-26. Martin played well but not shut down D at all. At least no more than Farmar and Fisher did on Iverson (which is to say that they didn't, AI just shot relatively poorly).
THE NUGGETS BARELY MADE THE PLAYOFFS. So it's ridiculous to talk about us barely getting the #1 seed as some kind of put down. With the lineup that we're playing with now we are 29-5. Regardless of how many games the Lakers are up, we're a far better team NOW than the Nugs are NOW.... and therefore we're going to destroy the Nuggs as we've done consistently this season.You can hang on to that "7 games" all you want but the Nuggs have gotten their azz kicked AGAIN by the Lakers. It's not some fluke. Either sweep or 4-1 at best. Deal with it. And yes, our defense is far superior. We don't have to move our PF's out to guard the perimeter because of a defensive hole at the 1, 2, and 3. How sad is that. 3/5ths of the Nuggs D is a defensive liability from the jump. Yes, your defense sucks and you can't turn it on EVER against ANYONE
You guys would have been better off in the lottery picking an athletic perimeter defender. GS would have made the series more interesting
To say you guys have the same flaws as ever. Your star players keep flaking out on our role players and getting booted. You really expect to win games against us like that?
Bgil wrote:If you make it out the first round, that Lakers team is not getting passed Utah even with Bynum.
Yep.. because we clearly need Bynum to guard Okur
faces for yourself, you need them.you guys seriously need some better anaylitical minds watching the game if you think Camby's man defense was the problem and Nene would have fixed everything.
Bgil wrote:YOU ARE 7 GAMES ABOVE THE NUGGETS! 7!! How is that considered "so far above" them? The Lakers team is "so far above" the Sonics...they are "so far above" the Timberwolves..they are not "so far above" the Nuggets as you would like to beleive. Sorry. The Nuggets lost because Karl did stupid things? No sh*t! Tell us all something we don't know.
Yes, the Lakers are FAR better than the Nuggets. It's really not even close as you've seen but the fact that you've been demolished in 3 games now. The gap between the Lakers and Nuggets in a head to head matchup is about the same as Nuggets vs Kings.
The Nuggs will win one game at most in this series.This comment has already been addressed by other posters... but if you are a Laker fan like you claim, you should know better then anyone else that the regular season doesn't necessarily account for the post season. I beleive there was a season (in the Shaq era) where the Spurs swept the series during the regular season...and what did the Lakers do? They came back and swept the Spurs in the post season series. That is just a prime example of how you always shouldn't put all your eggs in one basket.
That was different in that the Shaq-led Lakers were a completely different team in the playoffs than in the regular season. In Shaq's eight year here we only finished first in the West once yet we made the finals 4 times. Clearly that was different.
As you can see by the first game, this series is going to play out pretty much the same way the regular season series did. You guys have the same problems with us now that you had then and vise-versa. Your flaws haven't changed at all since January. It's just a Denver fan's pipe dream to think any different at this point.Also, the Nuggets didn't need AI to drop 48 pts in 3 quarters...he was having one of those nights and they were going to him untill the 4th quarter where Karl made one of his genious Coaching decisions to go away from the hot hand and have Iverson pass the ball...it cost the Nuggets the game. You said yourself that the majority of the mistakes made against the Lakers fell on Coaching, Karl makes the proper adjustments and I see this series being far more interresting then what you are trying to make it out to be.
Karl went away from Iverson because we changed the way we were defending him. Kobe and Ariza vs Fisher and Farmar.
Again, what's going to make it more interesting now then it was in the regular season? You guys keep trying to call me out but are providing basically no real analysis of why this series is going to be any different. The only thing that's even come up in this thread is the possiblity of Nene but even that's a pipe dream (at best) and the idea that he's going to lock down Gasol is ridiculous because his points aren't coming in one-on-one situations.also find it funny that any Laker fan would talk about any player scoring 40 pts or more and the team losing....how many of those types of games has Kobe had? Exactly. GTFOH. Like I said before concentrate on your own team getting out the first round (in which they haven't done since Shaq left) before you come on other forums talking about a bunch on nonsense.
The irony of a Nuggets fan blasting a Laker fan for not making it out of the first round in years
I bet we make it out of the first round this year LOL!
You guys haven't made it out of the first round in the last 14 years! Oops, make that 15 years.
