Trade Targets (postcript on yesterday-other teams)

[skones]

And yeah, I realize that he isn't dominating the NBA as a 19 year old.

It's not that he's not dominating. It's that he's been awful.

[GrandAdmiralDan]

Glad youre not in the front office. We will be contending next year if all stay healthy.

Not a chance. People need to slow their roll. MAYBE by Jabaris 3rd season, if everything goes well. The idea of the Bucks being title contenders next season is ludicrous.

We don't need to be, either

[LUKE23]

Middleton's production isn't a small sample. He's been an elite shooter for 130 games. This year, his D has been good all season. I realize people base a lot of their stuff on PPG/usage, but he's fully capable of being high efficiency with even more usage. He's already at .185 which isn't bad.

[theFireBlanket]

omg that would piss me off

Are you a Jazz fan now all of the sudden?

i think exum is total fools gold. darko/vesely euro trash sucker draft bomb. i studied the kids hs games last summer and now watched him some this year. hes a nothing player. dealing for whatever his "upside" is with middleton would be terrible mistake imo.

then add that i wouldn't trade Henson for kanter straight up AND were the ones tossing in a #1 and this trade sucks balls for me. i hate it.

That "euro trash sucker draft bomb" was burying 3s in Knight's face weeks ago and that's his weakness coming into the league this year. Try again.

[jakecronus8]

I probably wouldn't do Middleton for Exum straight up at this point.

I remember a time when this board was all about rebuilding by getting super high upside young guys who have star potential. Now they are all about guys like Khris Middleton and dislike most young players that haven't already turned into studs.

Not that I dislike Khris Middleton. I think he's going to be a great role player unless he stops playing hard after he gets his deal or something... but Exum has the ability to be something special.

And yeah, I realize that he isn't dominating the NBA as a 19 year old.

I call it FTD syndrome. When you have a franchise with such little success over two plus decades, even the smallest sliver makes you drunk. In the past week now I've heard people say they wouldn't trade Ersan for Stauskas/Thompson (insisted we get an expiring) and now no to Middleton for Exum. My brain hurts.

[Bucks4Milwaukee]

Glad youre not in the front office. We will be contending next year if all stay healthy.

Not a chance. People need to slow their roll. MAYBE by Jabaris 3rd season, if everything goes well. The idea of the Bucks being title contenders next season is ludicrous.

We don't need to be, either

We dont need to be, I agree, but its DEF possible. Ill leave it alone though.

[Wonka]

Are you a Jazz fan now all of the sudden?

i think exum is total fools gold. darko/vesely euro trash sucker draft bomb. i studied the kids hs games last summer and now watched him some this year. hes a nothing player. dealing for whatever his "upside" is with middleton would be terrible mistake imo.

then add that i wouldn't trade Henson for kanter straight up AND were the ones tossing in a #1 and this trade sucks balls for me. i hate it.

That "euro trash sucker draft bomb" was burying 3s in Knight's face weeks ago and that's his weakness coming into the league this year. Try again.

Lmao that was one game? Terrible argument in Exum's favor

[mlloyd10]

I guess im high on Hood, who could put up similar numbers to Middleton next year

Based on what exactly?

He shot .286 from 3 this year with a .443 TS and he's only 14 months younger than Middleton, who is putting up .423/.574 currently with higher usage.

Eye ball test i guess - Just liked hood at Duke and saw what he could do

[LedZepp007]

Middleton's production isn't a small sample. He's been an elite shooter for 130 games. This year, his D has been good all season. I realize people base a lot of their stuff on PPG/usage, but he's fully capable of being high efficiency with even more usage. He's already at .185 which isn't bad.

I think we can safely say, at this point, that Middleton is an elite shooter. Easily top 10 in the NBA. It doesn't hurt that he plays some OK D. I would want to pay him 8m/yr, but he should get more than that. What a find. What the hell was Detroit thinking?

[JustinCredible]

Jimmy Butler vs Khris Middleton at 23 years old:

Minutes
Khris: 27.1
Jimmy: 26

FG%
Khris: .476
Jimmy: .467

3PT%
Khris: .423
Jimmy: .381

FT%
Khris: 84%
Jimmy: 80.3%

Reb
Khris: 4.4
Jimmy: 4.0

Ast
Khris: 1.8
Jimmy: 1.4

Stl
Khris: 1.6
Jimmy: 1.0

PPG
Khris: 11.4
Jimmy: 8.6

[GrandAdmiralDan]

Do people who are advocating trading for Monroe realize that he has to waive his Bird Rights to be traded?

Not sure if this was addressed between pages 178 & 280 (I was forced to skip ahead) but losing his Bird Rights wouldn't be hugely significant for a team like us that will be expected to be operating with significant cap space. If his bird rights would be attached, our cap space would be even further reduced prior to signing him due to a larger cap hit.

We would not have the advantage of being able to offer an additional year and a higher annual raise, compared to other teams, but that would also be the case if we didn't trade for him and pursued him as an unrestricted free agent.

It is his UFA status that is the biggest deterrent for me as far as being comfortable giving up significant value in a trade to acquire him

How much cap space did you anticipate us having prior to the Sanders buy out?

Ah, gotcha. Looks like I glossed over when you made that post while I was trying to catch up on things today.

Certainly lack of full bird rights to Monroe without the Bucks clearing salary cap space (which they've since virtually achieved with the Sanders buyout) would have been very significant, as was your implication.

Sorry about not taking into account when that post was made

[LUKE23]

I call it FTD syndrome. When you have a franchise with such little success over two plus decades, even the smallest sliver makes you drunk. In the past week now I've heard people say they wouldn't trade Ersan for Stauskas/Thompson (insisted we get an expiring) and now no to Middleton for Exum. My brain hurts.

it has more to do with the fact that building with high picks isn't realistically possible anymore, and that's because we have a good amount of young talent already helping us win. Middleton is a 15/5 2.2 steal, .574 TS per 36 guy at age 23. He really is a damn good player. Would I trade him for Exum? Yes, I'd roll the dice there. But I also believe people are overlooking what Middleton has been doing, for a significant portion.

Either way, building with another top 5 pick isn't happening. Giannis is good enough by himself now to keep us out of the top 5. I want to keep the young players that are helping us win unless a deal really makes sense. Exum isn't getting moved.

[mlloyd10]

24 Hours, 24 Hours, 24 Hours, 24 Hours, 24 Hours, 24 Hours, 24 Hours,

[crkone]

Khris could be a star if he learned to dribble effectively.

[LUKE23]

Eye ball test i guess - Just liked hood at Duke and saw what he could do

Not in place of Middleton.

[Siefer]

I probably wouldn't do Middleton for Exum straight up at this point.

I remember a time when this board was all about rebuilding by getting super high upside young guys who have star potential. Now they are all about guys like Khris Middleton and dislike most young players that haven't already turned into studs.

Not that I dislike Khris Middleton. I think he's going to be a great role player unless he stops playing hard after he gets his deal or something... but Exum has the ability to be something special.

And yeah, I realize that he isn't dominating the NBA as a 19 year old.

You're misunderstanding my post. I'm all for prioritizing star potential. I'm just super high on Middleton, and super down on Exum.

[ReasonablySober]

I probably wouldn't do Middleton for Exum straight up at this point.

I remember a time when this board was all about rebuilding by getting super high upside young guys who have star potential. Now they are all about guys like Khris Middleton and dislike most young players that haven't already turned into studs.

Not that I dislike Khris Middleton. I think he's going to be a great role player unless he stops playing hard after he gets his deal or something... but Exum has the ability to be something special.

And yeah, I realize that he isn't dominating the NBA as a 19 year old.

I call it FTD syndrome. When you have a franchise with such little success over two plus decades, even the smallest sliver makes you drunk. In the past week now I've heard people say they wouldn't trade Ersan for Stauskas/Thompson (insisted we get an expiring) and now no to Middleton for Exum. My brain hurts.

Eh, Middleton's young and provides an elite skill. He also seems to be getting better on a game by game basis. At some point you have to ask how much better is the return going to be?

[theFireBlanket]

I love Khris and don't want to see him traded but if Exum gets offered for him I'd have a hard time saying no. Otherwise he's not in a deal with Utah.

[JustinCredible]

Khris Middleton is also 8th in the NBA in defensive real plus-minus. 1st for SG and top 3 for SF.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM

[Flap Jackson]

The Pistons appear to be carrying the Bucks Kohl-era torch these days, look at this rumor. EW!

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/2/17/8055501/joe-johnson-trade-rumor-pistons-nets