Andrew Wiggins vs. Giannis Antetokounmpo

[CometGM]

Well I was right on Wiggins being a bust even though my topics on the subject here were locked but I think only Bucks fans saw Giannis being this good

Wiggins a bust? The guy just averaged 23.6ppg. He's no Giannis but he's nowhere near close to being a bust. Even if he doesn't improve from here on out, which he will anyway, he can't be considered a bust even though he hasn't lived up to some people's expectations.

[oaktownwarriors87]

Giannis has quickly become the most overrated prospect in the NBA. He is extremely Raw, but has all of the measurables. A player as Raw as him will never round off a complete skill set and will be lucky to have one or two basketball skills that end up in the elite department outside of measurables/athleticism.

I gave you an and 1, figured you could use it.

[Colbinii]

Giannis has quickly become the most overrated prospect in the NBA. He is extremely Raw, but has all of the measurables. A player as Raw as him will never round off a complete skill set and will be lucky to have one or two basketball skills that end up in the elite department outside of measurables/athleticism.

I gave you an and 1, figured you could use it.

I am as accurate as all the experts

[Xherdan 23]

This thread is going to look (Please Use More Appropriate Word) in 3 years. I dunno when people started trashing Wiggins. He is raw, he will develop. Everything he has said shows that he *will* work to become a better player.

Giannis is not near the prospect that Wiggins is.

Well, almost three years later this thread does look a bit (Please Use More Appropriate Word), just not in the same way you expected...

[clyde21]

Well I was right on Wiggins being a bust even though my topics on the subject here were locked but I think only Bucks fans saw Giannis being this good

No, you really weren't.

[ISB]

I remember when Wiggins was in college I was supposedly a "Wiggins hater" when I thought his upside was more of a Paul George than a true superstar. Now I realize that was a super optimistic comparison. Wiggins is okay but oh my god was he overhyped in High School.

[homecourtloss]

Well I was right on Wiggins being a bust even though my topics on the subject here were locked but I think only Bucks fans saw Giannis being this good

No, you really weren't.

I guess it depends upon how one defines "bust." In its strictest sense, probably not because he's a useful offensive player of sorts.

As an all around player impact wise relative to expectations and hype, he's a bust. He's played 9,000 minutes and has a VORP of -.8. For a guy who was a #1 pick type of talent, that's terrible. -2.4 BPM primarily because of his poor team defense given his athletic tools available? Pretty terrible.

[ISB]

Well I was right on Wiggins being a bust even though my topics on the subject here were locked but I think only Bucks fans saw Giannis being this good

No, you really weren't.

I guess it depends upon how one defines "bust." In its strictest sense, probably not because he's a useful offensive player of sorts.

As an all around player impact wise relative to expectations and hype, he's a bust. He's played 9,000 minutes and has a VORP of -.8. For a guy who was a #1 pick type of talent, that's terrible. -2.4 BPM primarily because of his poor team defense given his athletic tools available? Pretty terrible.

I think he's a huge bust relative to HS hype, but only a minor bust relative to pre-draft hype.

[H2tObes]

There's a reason why 100% of Bucks fans were completely enamored, Bucks fans were the only one who watched him

[Joseph17]

There's a reason why 100% of Bucks fans were completely enamored, Bucks fans were the only one who watched him

Anyone who knows basketball would be able to tell that he has a lot of potential. I'm not a Bucks fan, but I've seen him play enough to know that he has a lot of potential which is why I created this thread in the first place. It kind of reminds me of when I was debating with people on here about Stephen Curry's potential. Everyone thought I was crazy for saying that he has all-star potential in the NBA. He even exceeded my expectations and became a superstar. As far as Giannis and Wiggins, both of them evolved into what I expected them to be. When Wiggins was drafted I said that I believed that he was a safer pick than Jabari Parker in the sense that I believed that he had a higher floor than Jabari and also a lower ceiling. Everyone else felt the opposite way including the experts.

[rockmanslim]

There's some All-Time-Great crow-eating posts in this thread. But at the same time, I don't think that anyone could have predicted that Giannis would become this elite and Wiggins would become this average.

Edit: Oh god, the Anthony Randolph comparisons are still gold.

Predicting Giannis was hard, but predicting Wiggins wasn't as hard.

By me:
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By others:
viewtopic.php?p=40180466#p40180466
(plenty more in that thread)

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viewtopic.php?p=37359628#p37359628

viewtopic.php?p=38870247#p38870247

viewtopic.php?p=38667066#p38667066

viewtopic.php?p=42073874#p42073874

viewtopic.php?p=39057872#p39057872

[HeartBreakKid]

There's some All-Time-Great crow-eating posts in this thread. But at the same time, I don't think that anyone could have predicted that Giannis would become this elite and Wiggins would become this average.

Edit: Oh god, the Anthony Randolph comparisons are still gold.

Predicting Giannis was hard, but predicting Wiggins wasn't as hard.

By me:
viewtopic.php?f=21&t=1290020

viewtopic.php?p=37808786#p37808786

viewtopic.php?p=40149322#p40149322

viewtopic.php?p=41821420#p41821420

viewtopic.php?p=37838805#p37838805



By others:
viewtopic.php?p=40180466#p40180466
(plenty more in that thread)

viewtopic.php?p=38593210#p38593210

viewtopic.php?p=37359628#p37359628

viewtopic.php?p=38870247#p38870247

viewtopic.php?p=38667066#p38667066

viewtopic.php?p=42073874#p42073874

viewtopic.php?p=39057872#p39057872

I'm still floored by how insanely hyped Wiggins was. It shows you the power of those highschool mixtape videos. One of those Wiggins videos of him hitting spin moves on 5'5 guards went viral, that was it - people made up his mind he was the next LBJ or T Mac even though he played nothing like them.